Timing belt 300m 1999 hydraulic tensioner vs. tensioner pulley.
#11
03-29-2012 | 08:05 AM
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After contacting 6 local dealerships and 4 aftermarket parts stores:
Timing Belt Hydraulic tensioner (have been told that Chrysler also calls this a "damper". P/N 4573347. Standard Canadian Dealer price = 186. Have been quoted as high as 208. Presumably this is the "original" factory part. Today it superceded to P/N 4892109AA which MUST be paired with pulley P/N 4663515AD. Original pulley P/N is 4663515.
If I read this right, then if original pulley is not available, then if the newer pulley is used then the newer tensioner must also be used - regardless of the condition of the original tensioner.
Standard Canadian dealer price for original pulley is 98 (have been quoted as high as 118). Standard price for newer tensioner is 184 (highest = 206). Standard price for newer pulley is 69 (highest = 84).
Original pulley is practically non-existant locally and (so I'm told) in the US. Original tensioner is still available. Newer pulley must come from the US (none in Ontario).
Three to four out of 6 local dealerships quote the "standard" price for all items. One out of six consistently quote 10 to 30% higher.
Standard price for timing belt (P/N 4792353) is 220 (highest = 275).
Water pump original P/N was 4792195 (120), which superceeded to 4792195AB (148) which now superceeds to value-line P/N V9900085
(133). 4792195AB (if I really want it) must come from the US (none in Ontario).
Front main seal (P/N 4792317AB) is quoted at 12.
Aftermarket part stores:
No parts stores sell the tensioner at all, and one or two have pulley but sometimes it's identified as a "timing component kit", and sometimes it is available as part of a kit with a timing belt (sometimes known as a belt and "roller" kit). Examples:
Dayco 84086 Pulley (70 - 85)
Goodyear P/N GTK0255 (85 - 130 belt + pulley)
Goodyear P/N 40295 (173 belt only)
Dayco P/N 95295 (180 - 216 belt only)
Gates TCK-295 (290 Belt with pulley)
Gates TCK-295P (317 Belt with pulley - and seals?)
Contitec TV295 (152 belt only)
AC Delco or Dynagear (152 belt only)
The P/N for the belt will usually have a "295" regardless who makes it because that's the number of teeth.
The Chrysler issue with the different versions of the tensioner and pulley combination are not indicated or are not present with the aftermarket pulleys (so it seems).
Aftermarket water pump comes in two flavors - remanufactured and new.
Fenco (Prestone?) (80 - 124) new pump (NP1664)
AC Delco (140) new pump (P/N 252-692)
Cardone (85 + 15 core)
Prestone (110) new pump (same as Fenco?)
ASC Industries (124) new
This is what I'm looking at:
- replace timing belt
- replace timing belt pulley
- replace front main oil seal
- replace water pump
- replace upper and lower rad hoses
- change transmission oil and filter
- change differential oil
- change power steering fluid
- change engine coolant (but not doing "flush")
The bill for that is coming in at 1,700. The timing belt is 220, the pulley is 120, water pump is a little over 100, and labor is 300 - 400. Changing the oils/fluids for the differential, PS and trans is about 170 *each*. The rad hoses are probably pushing 100 each. With tax, this is going to be pushing 2k.
Timing Belt Hydraulic tensioner (have been told that Chrysler also calls this a "damper". P/N 4573347. Standard Canadian Dealer price = 186. Have been quoted as high as 208. Presumably this is the "original" factory part. Today it superceded to P/N 4892109AA which MUST be paired with pulley P/N 4663515AD. Original pulley P/N is 4663515.
If I read this right, then if original pulley is not available, then if the newer pulley is used then the newer tensioner must also be used - regardless of the condition of the original tensioner.
Standard Canadian dealer price for original pulley is 98 (have been quoted as high as 118). Standard price for newer tensioner is 184 (highest = 206). Standard price for newer pulley is 69 (highest = 84).
Original pulley is practically non-existant locally and (so I'm told) in the US. Original tensioner is still available. Newer pulley must come from the US (none in Ontario).
Three to four out of 6 local dealerships quote the "standard" price for all items. One out of six consistently quote 10 to 30% higher.
Standard price for timing belt (P/N 4792353) is 220 (highest = 275).
Water pump original P/N was 4792195 (120), which superceeded to 4792195AB (148) which now superceeds to value-line P/N V9900085
(133). 4792195AB (if I really want it) must come from the US (none in Ontario).
Front main seal (P/N 4792317AB) is quoted at 12.
Aftermarket part stores:
No parts stores sell the tensioner at all, and one or two have pulley but sometimes it's identified as a "timing component kit", and sometimes it is available as part of a kit with a timing belt (sometimes known as a belt and "roller" kit). Examples:
Dayco 84086 Pulley (70 - 85)
Goodyear P/N GTK0255 (85 - 130 belt + pulley)
Goodyear P/N 40295 (173 belt only)
Dayco P/N 95295 (180 - 216 belt only)
Gates TCK-295 (290 Belt with pulley)
Gates TCK-295P (317 Belt with pulley - and seals?)
Contitec TV295 (152 belt only)
AC Delco or Dynagear (152 belt only)
The P/N for the belt will usually have a "295" regardless who makes it because that's the number of teeth.
The Chrysler issue with the different versions of the tensioner and pulley combination are not indicated or are not present with the aftermarket pulleys (so it seems).
Aftermarket water pump comes in two flavors - remanufactured and new.
Fenco (Prestone?) (80 - 124) new pump (NP1664)
AC Delco (140) new pump (P/N 252-692)
Cardone (85 + 15 core)
Prestone (110) new pump (same as Fenco?)
ASC Industries (124) new
This is what I'm looking at:
- replace timing belt
- replace timing belt pulley
- replace front main oil seal
- replace water pump
- replace upper and lower rad hoses
- change transmission oil and filter
- change differential oil
- change power steering fluid
- change engine coolant (but not doing "flush")
The bill for that is coming in at 1,700. The timing belt is 220, the pulley is 120, water pump is a little over 100, and labor is 300 - 400. Changing the oils/fluids for the differential, PS and trans is about 170 *each*. The rad hoses are probably pushing 100 each. With tax, this is going to be pushing 2k.
#12
03-29-2012 | 08:07 AM
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Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 29
I see what's happening.
My last post (above) contained a lot of dollar-signs ($). I removed all of them and re-posted it and it was accepted by this web-forum software without telling me "Your post will not be visible until a moderator has approved it for posting."
My last post (above) contained a lot of dollar-signs ($). I removed all of them and re-posted it and it was accepted by this web-forum software without telling me "Your post will not be visible until a moderator has approved it for posting."
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