I suspect the timing belts went on our 2002 Grand Voyager 2.5 CRD. Just a few questions to depress myself further.
Has this happened to anyone before?
What sort of damage will probably have occurred inside the engine. A small amount? or a big amount. I realise you'll never know until it's stripped but whats the general concensus.
Any indication on cost if you've had it done.

Just to add, suspect timing belt because wife turned at junction, went to accelerate and it just cut out. She tried turning it over to start again and it turned over quicker than usual (no resistance). This has probably caused more damage but what can you do now lol.

Cheers,

Rab

 

Wait until the cam belt cover is removed before you get really depressed.....it might not be the cam belt!

If it did break then you'd better get your cheque book out, It may have bent all 16 vavles.....or it may have only bent 8 of them.....the valves that have been hit may also have broken springs.

A new cam belt kit for one of these is about £140.....you'll probably want to replace the tensioner after a break...another £80. You also have to determine if anything caused the belt to break....like a water pump failure. A new pump is £160.

Not sure how much valves/springs would be.....probably minor compared to the labour required to do the job....its 3hrs labour to replace the belt alone! Maybe 8 hrs labour in total....but could well be more.....best case I reckon is not much change from £1000

If all the valves are wreaked, I'd be tempted to source a complete cylinder head of a written off 2.5 CRD.....I'm sure that would be significantly cheaper then replacing all the velves.

Just out of interest, how many miles has your voyager done, and has the belt ever been replaced?

 

It's done 151k, we've had it a year. It was 1 owner from new and the book stamped up to 125k but no proof that a timing belt was ever done.

I've priced the belt kit and saw the tensioner (spot on with prices) and was going to price up a new water pump. £160's a bit of a shock but better to get it done just now. Last water pump i priced was for an Omega and was £20 lol.

Was thinking of doing it myself via the cylinder head method but its more the timescale. I'll phone a guy today instead. He's reasonable with prices so here's hoping.

(it's also needing 2 tyres and the ABS light's came on recently)

To make matters worse, my motorbike's just chucked it this morning too. Alternator I suspect.
So theres 6 of us and only a 3 door corsa to run about in.


Happy Days!


Just as an afterthought, I'll take the cover off today to confirm the belt.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

 

I know the prices as just last week I replaced the timing belt on our 2.8CRD.

It was easier than I thought......once you get the air filter housing out and the front wheel off and remove the cover behind the front wheel, access is very good to the belt. The engine has to be supported and the mount removed on the belt side before you can even get the belt cover off, but it's easier to do than it sounds.

If it is dealer stamped to 125k then in theory the belt should have been replaced twice....60k and 120k or every 5 years. So it'll be pretty impressive if it's the origional belt. Chrysler did increase the interval to 8 years or 100,000 miles on post 2006 models.

My old belt had done 45,000 miles but was 6 years old, so was a year overdue....it seemed in pretty good condition....no cracks, but it was a bit glazed and the rubber had hardened quite a bit, so I'm glad I replaced it. It looked like it would have lasted quite a bit longer, but you can never really tell with cam belts! In the end I didn't replace the water pump.

Hopefully your luck will improve.....keep us posted!

 

Got enough bolts off the cover to confirm the belts gone.
I've now the dilema of attempting it myself or getting someone else to do it for me.
Price list so far £380 from what you've said with more to come I think.

Heres a snippet from an ebay ad.

What we will do, we will collect your cylinder head from your local garage or home address strip down the head pressure test it decoke it resurface it cut seats fit 16 new valves replace valve stem oil seals and build back up for you and deliver back to you total price with postage and vat invoice [And no hidden costs]
£230+30 postage


Does this sound cheap? Includes 12 months warranty as well. Do you think this will cover all the damage i've possibly done?
Or would it be better to open it up first and see whats damaged?

 

I'm really not sure if £230+postage is a good deal or not. To get a better idea you could talk to http://vmdieselspecialist.com/ and ask them for a price for 16 valves+valve stem oil seals. They are very helpful and can supply pretty much any part for the CRD engines (which are made by VM engines)

While you're at it you'd better ask for a price for a head gasket kit, and a new set of cylinder head bolts.

I have read some disturbing news in a land rover forum about a VM engine which broke the cam belt where the injectors could not be removed from the head....rendering the engine scrap...the injectors have to come out to get the elaborate rocker cover/inlet manafold off...I don't know if the guy realised that chrysler have a special tool to extract difficult injectors called VM9075 and even then they seem to be very difficult to remove......but i'd give it a go.

 

Hi
The 2.8 IS a safe ish engine I have had loads come in with belts gone THEY DO NO BEND VALVES. the rockers are the only thing that brake they are designed that way to save the engine. you don't even have to take the head off only the cam cover. It will most likely be only the intake ones that have broken all 8. it's not a bad job to do if you have the timing pins.
Regards,
Merlin

 

Hi Merlin,

Is the 2.5 the same?
Just spoke to a guy who will be doing the work and he's going to see what he can find out as well.
His voice improved somewhat when I said it was a VM engine (said they were used in rangerovers and transits?).
heres hoping.

regards,

Rab

 

Yes 2.5 the same, your be fine.

 

Thank you both for your advice, it's really appreciated and a load of my mind. I'll post back once it's up and running again

cheers,

Rab