what oil? 5w20 5w30 10w30 info
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what oil? 5w20 5w30 10w30 info
Searched to forum to help learn about all the common issues before finally getting 2010 TC, found one with 24K miles... would liked 12-13, not in budget, and kinda like the proven history of 3.8L...
so now I'm digging into maintenance and the 'recommended' 5w20 oil, and all the controversies of it being a light oil...
Based on what I've learned, going with 5w30, maybe 10w30 summer, and larger 090 oil filter for sure, maybe even the oversized FL1A (motorcraft).
FYI.. for your reading pleasure to defend 5w30 decision in 3.8L...
Chrysler got it wrong with 5w-20 in a 3.8 !!
READ PLEASE! 5w20 vs 5w30 engine life? opinions ? - Bob Is The Oil Guy
All about Viscosity
AND the Oil Bible... everything you wanted to know about oil.. viscosity, operating temp, viscosity modifiers, breakdown, and synthetic.
Motor Oil 101 - Bob is the Oil Guy
so now I'm digging into maintenance and the 'recommended' 5w20 oil, and all the controversies of it being a light oil...
Based on what I've learned, going with 5w30, maybe 10w30 summer, and larger 090 oil filter for sure, maybe even the oversized FL1A (motorcraft).
FYI.. for your reading pleasure to defend 5w30 decision in 3.8L...
Chrysler got it wrong with 5w-20 in a 3.8 !!
10W30 is what this motor was originally designed to run on. Then somewhere along the line, after the motor had been in service in the minivan fleet for some time, Chrysler reduced the specified weight to 5W30, and then reduced it again to 5W20 when this motor went into the then new JK Wrangler..... Chrysler did not make any major changes in design specs or internal tolerances to account for the change to this drastically thinner oil which is why these motors consume oil through the PCV system and past the rings and suffer carbon fouling in the combustion chambers, excessive pinging, blocked cats & failed O2 sensors, and many other issues associated with oil burning. Chrysler reduced the oil weight specification for the Wrangler-fitted 3.8L V6 to 5W20 purely for mileage reasons and nothing else (when these motors are given the 36hr bench test they produce slightly better mileage figures running the thinner oil and thus help Chrysler to meet it's federally-mandated CAFE mileage targets for the fleet), and know very well that it results in high oil consumption which is why they claim oil consumption of one quart per 1000 miles is "acceptable".
You get about 1% better fuel economy, but you get 30% shorter engine life !
SAE 5W-20 or even SAE 0W-20 are becoming more popular these days and were specified by some OEM's (FORD & HONDA) on new cars since 2001 Model Year.
Although these oils are promoted as "energy conserving" they generally trade a gain of less than 0.1 MPG in Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) for shorter useful engine life.
FORD which has previously designed cars to have 10 year or 150,000 miles life has reduced the mileage life expectation to "beyond 100,000 miles" on vehicles that are operated on SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil.
HONDA only claims "useful life" as 7-years or 70,000 miles in EPA certifications for their CIVIC which uses SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil, while the previous model year that utilized SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil was certified for 10 year or 100,000 mile durability.
Since both HONDA and FORD Warranty their NEW cars for ONLY 3-years or 36,000-miles the reduction in engine life expectancy is not a factor.
By contrast Mercedes-Benz recommends use of ONLY Synthetic Motor Oil that is at least SAE 5W-40 !
This is a recent increase in recommended viscosity from SAE 5W-30. Apparently customer research indicated that engine longevity is more important to typical MB customer than fuel economy.
Although these oils are promoted as "energy conserving" they generally trade a gain of less than 0.1 MPG in Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) for shorter useful engine life.
FORD which has previously designed cars to have 10 year or 150,000 miles life has reduced the mileage life expectation to "beyond 100,000 miles" on vehicles that are operated on SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil.
HONDA only claims "useful life" as 7-years or 70,000 miles in EPA certifications for their CIVIC which uses SAE 5W-20 Motor Oil, while the previous model year that utilized SAE 5W-30 Motor Oil was certified for 10 year or 100,000 mile durability.
Since both HONDA and FORD Warranty their NEW cars for ONLY 3-years or 36,000-miles the reduction in engine life expectancy is not a factor.
By contrast Mercedes-Benz recommends use of ONLY Synthetic Motor Oil that is at least SAE 5W-40 !
This is a recent increase in recommended viscosity from SAE 5W-30. Apparently customer research indicated that engine longevity is more important to typical MB customer than fuel economy.
Motor Oil 101 - Bob is the Oil Guy
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3.3L and 3.8L Engine should use MOPARŽ API Certified SAE 5W-20 engine oil, meeting the requirements of Chrysler Material Standard MS-6395 for all operating temperatures. This engine oil improves low temperature starting and vehicle fuel economy.
Only the 4.0L Engine should use MOPARŽ API Certified SAE 10W-30 engine oil, meeting the requirements of Chrysler Material Standard MS-6395.
Only the 4.0L Engine should use MOPARŽ API Certified SAE 10W-30 engine oil, meeting the requirements of Chrysler Material Standard MS-6395.
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